Psacramento said:
"It may seem to you to be morally repugnant to allow the death of 250K people and I agree 100%, even the death of ONE person is one too many if it can be avoided BUT that doesn't have any bearing on whether there IS a reason for it happening."
Yet, you cannot think of one and your God has not provided one, or perhaps does not exist?
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Psacramento said:
"Seems like we can't have one ( This type of life) without the other...Unless of course it has been proven...I don't follow that debate so I honestly don't know if it has."
So, you have no idea whether the life on this planet could exist without natural evil. Let's say that it could do. Why does God let people be tortured, beaten, or mentally abused and emotionally scarred to the point that they feel nothing, let alone positive qualities such as empathy and compassion for others? Good qualities can be gained by tending to a wounded child or animal and feeling the joy that it brings to help others.
There are so many circumstances that are in no way beneficial to people, not making them kinder or more empathetic, instead turning them hard and depressed, that I could not possibly list them.
You claim that 'to say all suffering serves no purpose is wrong'.
Let's turn that on its head..
To say that all suffering has a purpose is wrong. In fact, it's repulsive.
Psacramento also said: "I don't know why He didn't take away suffering..."
"All I know is that God does allow suffering and I do NOT know why."
Once again, even highly educated theists can't offer a defense. Not even one that convinces them.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty inyesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty inyesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
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Psacramento said:
"As some hard-line fundamenatlist would say, 'No one is innocent, so no one is above suffering'.
We may not like the argument, but it is a valid one."
Babies are innocent. Animals are innocent. The argument is not valid from any logical standpoint.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/222352/23/Theists-why-does-God-allow-suffering#.U_-OhF2t-o8 -
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Give me a reason not to go back
by chukky 594 inbeen out now for 10 yrs but life is a mess.
starting to think its because i have no spiritual compass.
why shouldn't i consider going back?.
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Give me a reason not to go back
by chukky 594 inbeen out now for 10 yrs but life is a mess.
starting to think its because i have no spiritual compass.
why shouldn't i consider going back?.
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defender of truth
Have you looked into Unitarian universalism? No control or guilt trips from what I gather.. if you need help.
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by defender of truth inhttp://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/283101/1/did-you-celebrate-the-2nd-anniversary-of-jw-org#5082822.
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Did you celebrate the 2nd anniversary of JW.org?
by defender of truth in"the first 5 days of august, 1200 bible studies were requested.. another stat today; in 6 months, jan. thru june, jw.org got 3200 bible study requests.. but this month?
there have been 3606 to date as of; aug. 19, 2014.".
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16712-jw-org-website-anniversary/#entry238063.
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Sorry, should have added this quote from the jw talk thread:
"Redesigned jw.org Web Site Went Live: Monday, Aug 27, 2012.
Since then …;
*Visits 840 million
*Downloaded 1 Billion Publication Files
*Watched or Downloaded 50 million Videos
*Available in 540 languages
*Publications can be downloaded in 700 languages
*Over 100,000 online Bible Study Requests" -
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Did you celebrate the 2nd anniversary of JW.org?
by defender of truth in"the first 5 days of august, 1200 bible studies were requested.. another stat today; in 6 months, jan. thru june, jw.org got 3200 bible study requests.. but this month?
there have been 3606 to date as of; aug. 19, 2014.".
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16712-jw-org-website-anniversary/#entry238063.
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Did you celebrate the 2nd anniversary of JW.org?
by defender of truth in"the first 5 days of august, 1200 bible studies were requested.. another stat today; in 6 months, jan. thru june, jw.org got 3200 bible study requests.. but this month?
there have been 3606 to date as of; aug. 19, 2014.".
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16712-jw-org-website-anniversary/#entry238063.
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"The first 5 days of August, 1200 Bible studies were requested.
Another stat today; In 6 months, Jan. thru June, jw.org got 3200 Bible study requests.
But this month? there have been 3606 to date as of; Aug. 19, 2014."
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16712-jw-org-website-anniversary/#entry238063
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Question: Is JW religion the most attacked one?
by Da.Furious ini was having a chat with an elder and couple of friends regarding apostates and how to protect ourselves and funnily how to identify them!.
during the discussion the elder mentioned: jehovah's witnesses is most attacked religion in the world.
there are no other religions that are under the spotlight.
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Suggest to them: Google 'hell' or 'loving god hell'. For me, that is probably the most debunked, attacked and mocked Christian doctrine of all.
Mostly all of the general atheist Youtube videos, from what I've seen, refer to hell rather than any Armageddon.
And, just think, it's 'Christendom' that spread that fear of 'the Lord' and hellfire throughout the earth whilst Jehovah was on a nearly 1800 year tea-break from telling anybody anything. (!)
All of the hatred, attacks and vitriol towards the Christian religion, as expressed for nearly 1800 years, (from when Revelation was supposedly completed up until the first Watchtower produced) was not built up by a little sect that didn't even exist.
Even on purely theological grounds, the internet is full of articles debunking Jesus as God, and the hellfire teaching itself.. Not about JW's, who teach neither of them.
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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.
by defender of truth inablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).
post 741 of 741. .
"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".
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defender of truth
Introduction to some basic lines of evidence for evolution:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_01
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Evidence for the Bible being inspired by a divine being...
I can't see ANY evidence whatsoever, of it being anything other than a contradictory book of myths and legends with a little history thrown in, so I'll hand over to bioflex ;)